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ive tried medistar dbol and test e 3 months ago. i felt literally nothing from the dbol. started off with 40mg/day but increased to 80mg/day for about 10 days, felt nothing at all. no water retention, no strength increase, no weight increase, so i threw it away. the test e was amazing though. i wasn't making gains before, but after taking medistar test e at 500mg/week i gained about 20lbs in 10 weeks even though i didn't really change my diet. the dbol sucks, test e is great